tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8911314544674287828.post5324381675693516207..comments2024-02-21T03:32:15.577-05:00Comments on Jill Kemerer: How the Winklevoss Twins Can Help Your NovelJill Kemererhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07865493609868329393noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8911314544674287828.post-74157121088165375742011-04-18T10:05:22.272-04:002011-04-18T10:05:22.272-04:00Susan JR: Oh, yes! It's great to see antagonis...Susan JR: Oh, yes! It's great to see antagonist's clutching to their pain! <br /><br />Talli: Thank you so much! I really appreciate the compliment!<br /><br />Thanks so much for stopping by!Jill Kemererhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07865493609868329393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8911314544674287828.post-36652173444251432752011-04-16T13:33:47.662-04:002011-04-16T13:33:47.662-04:00As I was reading your post, I was wondering how th...As I was reading your post, I was wondering how the heck you were going to bring it around to writing -- I love it! Fantastic.Talli Rolandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04780882465745107715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8911314544674287828.post-31091195558828835892011-04-15T20:50:45.017-04:002011-04-15T20:50:45.017-04:00Hi Jill -
I haven't used this device and don&...Hi Jill -<br /><br />I haven't used this device and don't think I would for my MC. Now, it might be interesting for a secondary character or antagonist. The potential for conflict grows exponentially when someone is seeking revenge.<br /><br />Blessings,<br />Susan :)Susan J. Reinhardthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07461276857852409546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8911314544674287828.post-59019422855440198912011-04-15T17:48:54.323-04:002011-04-15T17:48:54.323-04:00Quiet Spirit: I think it's just very hard for ...Quiet Spirit: I think it's just very hard for some people to accept something they can't change. :)<br /><br />Jill: Good point--internal growth helps a story, but having a character turn into someone he's not hurts a story. <br /><br />Robyn: I like characters who grow, too. Perfect characters make me yawn!<br /><br />Margo: Oh, true! She refused to see reality when it came to him!<br /><br />Thanks so much for stopping by!Jill Kemererhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07865493609868329393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8911314544674287828.post-43489549022224460222011-04-15T17:22:47.286-04:002011-04-15T17:22:47.286-04:00Nasty example (just seems like greediness, to me) ...Nasty example (just seems like greediness, to me) but a great example too - reminds me of Scarlett who could just not LET GO of poor Ashley in Gone With the Wind! I'll have to keep this tidbit in mind w/my characters...Margo Berendsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03476308235642890474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8911314544674287828.post-42112276108144628752011-04-15T17:14:06.472-04:002011-04-15T17:14:06.472-04:00Great post Jill. I love characters who grow. They ...Great post Jill. I love characters who grow. They make mistakes, but learn something about themselves too. <br /><br />I didn't see that movie, but I'd say the twins were ripped off and they can't forget. They see just how much money they lost. :-)Robyn Campbellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17356555082768185840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8911314544674287828.post-68180290071937491852011-04-15T16:53:52.192-04:002011-04-15T16:53:52.192-04:00That's not something I'd thought about. I ...That's not something I'd thought about. I guess it depends on the story, but I like to see characters change, at least a little bit. No character growth, while perhaps true to life in many cases, is depressing in a book, even when it's just the antagonist. I guess the real issue is making the character growth right for the person. A hermit is not likely to transform into a social butterfly, but might allow one person into his life, for example--or vice versa.Jillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05536293384635588296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8911314544674287828.post-31080018319241432962011-04-15T16:40:08.917-04:002011-04-15T16:40:08.917-04:00Jill:
You have whetted my appetite. The concept...Jill:<br /> You have whetted my appetite. The concept of holding onto something in the past is something I have seen in real life. Usually, its considered a sign of immaturity. Hmmm!quietspirithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06086016141181470311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8911314544674287828.post-31317005542842873812011-04-15T16:29:47.494-04:002011-04-15T16:29:47.494-04:00Karen: I know, right? :) Yeah, I'm all about t...Karen: I know, right? :) Yeah, I'm all about the happily-ever-after and moving on is essential!<br /><br />Nancy: I know what you mean. It's a hard line to balance without frustrating the reader. <br /><br />Patti: Yes! And I find it hard to like characters who never let go of that tree!<br /><br />Loree: I love it when main characters work through their problems and move on, but secondary characters can cling to their probs as much as they want!<br /><br />Thanks so much for stopping by!Jill Kemererhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07865493609868329393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8911314544674287828.post-32926775998948174892011-04-15T15:43:02.164-04:002011-04-15T15:43:02.164-04:00Great post, Jill.
Now that I think about it, in ...Great post, Jill. <br /><br />Now that I think about it, in two of my stories, it's the main male characters who can't let go of the past. I never really thought about it before. One of them does move on, but the other, well that remains to be seen.Loree Huebnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09845600356878587780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8911314544674287828.post-30899778348427841732011-04-15T15:01:09.118-04:002011-04-15T15:01:09.118-04:00Great post, Jill. It's got my brain churning, ...Great post, Jill. It's got my brain churning, as well as do the comments. Finding the right balance is so crucial, but I hadn't thought about it before. We have to have a character our readers can't help but like. (The big challenge.) I'm picturing a person with her arms tight around a tree. No matter how much she wants to, she's not going anywhere. No one can move on until he or she lets go!patti.mallett_pphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453756965198648016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8911314544674287828.post-83263652970239482642011-04-15T13:15:25.461-04:002011-04-15T13:15:25.461-04:00You have hit a pet pieve for me. I do not like it...You have hit a pet pieve for me. I do not like it when a character holds on to a past problem unnecessarily. Many good books have been spoiled for me because of this device.Nancyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15163662759281341381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8911314544674287828.post-68717285584677316412011-04-15T13:00:32.177-04:002011-04-15T13:00:32.177-04:00This is great food for thought! Who knew FB and su...This is great food for thought! Who knew FB and such could help us with our characters. :) <br /><br />I like to see characters who are real and struggle, but then they grow and move on too.<br /><br />Have a great weekend,<br />KarenKaren Langehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18177923284595298347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8911314544674287828.post-62800664286325277042011-04-15T12:47:40.581-04:002011-04-15T12:47:40.581-04:00Rosslyn: Thanks for weighing in! Stealing code or ...Rosslyn: Thanks for weighing in! Stealing code or expanding on an idea--I'm not sure if it was ever proven Zuckerberg used any of their code, but then was the idea their intellectual property? These are tough moral issues to think about. As a Christian, I don't believe it's right to take liberties with either. I do have to believe the W twins made much more money off of their FB litigation than they ever would have made from their ConnectU! But that's just my opinion. I guess we'll never know. :)<br /><br />Brandi: Sounds like you have some great growth arcs in your new book!<br /><br />Keli: I love it when more than one character has serious growth in a book--can't wait to read it!<br /><br />Patrice: Oh yeah! I feel the same. By watching them work through their issues, we're better able to understand our own. <br /><br />Cochrane: Welcome! Nothing worse than a whiny character, right? :)<br /><br />Thanks so much for stopping by!Jill Kemererhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07865493609868329393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8911314544674287828.post-40153875600000123722011-04-15T12:11:01.338-04:002011-04-15T12:11:01.338-04:00I agree with a lot of other people who have alread...I agree with a lot of other people who have already commented - if it goes on for too long, I lose interest.<br /><br />It is a good movie and made me look at facebook in a whole different way.Cochrane Rangers Soccer Clubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07602218374992863018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8911314544674287828.post-57781480047035747992011-04-15T11:54:05.384-04:002011-04-15T11:54:05.384-04:00Many, many people in life do hold on to their past...Many, many people in life do hold on to their pasts, long after it proves helpful. That's why we like to read about characters who do the same thing in books. We can relate them to people we know. Maybe, dare I say, to ourselves?PM Kavanaughhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18158084685117474279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8911314544674287828.post-51231682555162065372011-04-15T11:12:12.525-04:002011-04-15T11:12:12.525-04:00The two main characters in my WIP have been unable...The two main characters in my WIP have been unable to let go of something that happened in their past. Their struggle is mirrored in one two other characters are facing. As they work together to resolve the others' issue, they end up working through their own.Keli Gwynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13236868298400593688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8911314544674287828.post-41528769051911105322011-04-15T10:42:32.432-04:002011-04-15T10:42:32.432-04:00In the historical I'm working on now, the hero...In the historical I'm working on now, the hero is holding a grudge against the heroine for an immature decision she made years ago. Even though she's changed since then, he has a hard time letting go of the past and forgiving her. I wanted to write this because bitterness was something that I struggled with before God taught me to forgive those who intentionally or unintentionally wronged me.Brandi Boddiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08017741568841209088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8911314544674287828.post-28498706459186643902011-04-15T10:30:19.958-04:002011-04-15T10:30:19.958-04:00Kristi: It IS hard to root for real-life people wh...Kristi: It IS hard to root for real-life people who won't let go!<br /><br />Jessica P: Good point. I like to see the main character overcome something. If she doesn't move on, I have a hard time enjoying the book. But secondary characters? They can wallow all day long!<br /><br />Lynn: I like the way you put that--that they'll find peace. Yes!<br /><br />Erica: Same here, and you know I love romances. I LOVE wounded heroes!!<br /><br />C.E.: Ooo, sounds like a goody!<br /><br />Katharine: I could write that too! Give 10 people an idea and all 10 will expand on it in a different way. To me, the work involved in making something out of the idea is worth so much more than the original. :)<br /><br />LBDiamond: Yummy...sounds intriguing!!<br /><br />Thanks so much for stopping by!Jill Kemererhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07865493609868329393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8911314544674287828.post-74199182202395667472011-04-15T10:29:13.989-04:002011-04-15T10:29:13.989-04:00Jill, I've seen the movie, so I appreciate you...Jill, I've seen the movie, so I appreciate your analogy!<br /><br />I agree that the Winkelvoss twins need to let go.<br /><br />However, I also believe that they told the FB founder about their plans without making him sign a contract, and then he royally ripped them off. I attended an Ivy League school as an undergrad. Lots of people worked on creative projects together without making up contracts. We were all involved in our studies, so the projects were "extracurricular." And most of us trusted, I think, that our associates respected intellectual property and would not "steal" from us. Perhaps that trust was naive, but I can't blame the Winkelvosses for it. Honorable people often don't suspect others of dishonesty until they get burned.Rosslyn Elliotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11304732306399786236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8911314544674287828.post-4967114725935161062011-04-15T10:17:49.099-04:002011-04-15T10:17:49.099-04:00Hmmmm, interesting concept. Yes, my MC holds onto ...Hmmmm, interesting concept. Yes, my MC holds onto things, as does his antagonist. One of them lets go...the other doesn't.<br /><br />Great post!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8911314544674287828.post-3674664420091639082011-04-15T10:17:18.489-04:002011-04-15T10:17:18.489-04:00Jill,
When I read the title of your post, I thoug...Jill,<br /><br />When I read the title of your post, I thought you were going to say, "Ideas are cheap. Anyone can have an idea, but it takes hard work to make it succeed." Of course, with a settlement like theirs, one could argue that ideas aren't cheap at all. Those W twins wouldn't have gotten richer if they weren't rich in the first place. But I digress.<br /><br />Your points are spot on. I like the idea of my characters' objectives to be obsessions, but I really like playing around with mental illness. ; )Katharinehttp://www.10minutewriter.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8911314544674287828.post-86627385793036580652011-04-15T10:12:54.631-04:002011-04-15T10:12:54.631-04:00The MC in my current manuscript is definitely hold...The MC in my current manuscript is definitely holding on to something too long. lol Thanks for the great post.Cheryl Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05941924274116467229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8911314544674287828.post-47944481084353059022011-04-15T10:03:15.548-04:002011-04-15T10:03:15.548-04:00I think wounded characters are very interesting, t...I think wounded characters are very interesting, those lost souls with an injury in their past, who, when they meet the right person and set of circs, are forced to choose between the past and the future, the burden or the freedom. :)<br /><br />But then again, I write romances, so that totally works for me.Erica Vetschhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08772984806574666959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8911314544674287828.post-76187370891472246822011-04-15T09:51:41.143-04:002011-04-15T09:51:41.143-04:00The characters I read that stay with me for a long...The characters I read that stay with me for a long time are the ones whose actions are motivated by a wrong-doing in the past, and they find a way to move on, let go and grow. Realistically many people today do hold onto bitterness (like the twins you mentioned) but it is the hope gained from characters that learn to find peace again that I enjoy reading the most.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com